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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Sea Breeze

  Rattigan - Millions of Christians reject the minority text as authoratative ... mainly because of the omissions. If you added up all the omissions in the Minority text, and subtract them from the Majority text, they would approximately equal the number of greek words in 1 and 2 Peter.

  That is a lot of deletions. In two recently published translations of the New Testament – the Evangelical Heritage Version and the Modern English Version – John 3:13 ends with the phrase, “who is in heaven.”

  It is supported by the vast majority (over 95%) of Greek manuscripts, as well as manuscripts written in Old Latin, the Vulgate, the Peshitta, the Ethiopic version, and a wide variety of early patristic writers.
  
  Other people in the bible have been described as being in two places at the same time, with their body on earth and their soul or spirit in heaven at the same time. It is not unique.
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  Watching the show

  by Teddnzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

  im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

  in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

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  Sea Breeze

  which are the top several points that prove JWs wrong?

  Welcome Teddnzo.

  1. The top point is the denial of Justification for its members. I heard a millions times growing up that the New Covenant was only for 144K goverment position in God's Kindgom, and therefore, not for me.
  
  But the bible says that the new covenant is "for the forgiveness of sins" MT. 26: 27-28
  
  Romans 5: 1, 9 says that you cannot escape the wrath of God without being Justified.
  
  You can never be good enough to avoid an adverse judgement because " all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" (Is. 64: 6) And, "there is no one righteous, no not one".

  2. The "All other organizations are false" WT doctrine. Looks like you still struggle with this one. There are lots of good individually goverened groups of Christians out there. Got is saving individuals.... not religions. That is the key point.

  The reason we need a persoanl saviour, is because Hebrews 9:27 says there will be a personal judgment AFTER we die. We are not being judged now on how we respond to WT literature. That is absurd.

  3. Gal. 1: 8,9 says that if we believe or preach anything other than what the apostles preached, we are "CURSED". This scripture alone destroys most of WT teachings because they admit that things like their two-tier salvation scheme wasn't taught by the apostles. The whole concept of "new light" is destroyed by Gal. 1:8,9
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  Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some areas that i have found:.

  not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

  the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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  Sea Breeze

  @Person

  And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. - Acts 7: 59
  
  If I remember correctly, the original large print NWT bible has a footnote for this verse that characterizes this as a prayer. Look it up. I believe this was removed from later additions of the NWT.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Open Historic Museum in Edo

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah’s witnesses open historic museum in edo .. https://punchng.com/jehovahs-witnesses-open-historic-museum-in-edo/.

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  Sea Breeze

  You are so right Riley. They are totally unashamedly full of themselves.

  They won’t be satisfied until publishers fall down and perform an act or worship to them whille tearing up pictures of their shunned children and parents.

  Prove your alegiance. Sieg Heil !
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Sea Breeze

  13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

  Jesus was in heaven at the same time he was on earth.

  Why? Because he is a tripartite being like us. Only his spirit was God almighty, which is not like us.

  …can’t pick and choose scriptures
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  Sea Breeze

  Therefore, we are now 109 years into the millennium, with only another 891 years left to go.

  Boogerman is correct, The WT wants it both ways to try and make it fit the bible.

  On the one hand they want the kingdom to start in 1914 so they they can claim that the church age is over, and with it all the promises of God. That way they can claim that the dispensation of grace has ended and that we are now in the millinium where people are now judged on how they respond the "Kingdom Message"... as opposed to the "ministry of reconciliation" wrought by the blood of Christ and administed by the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28)

  The problem is that there are scriptures that indicate that the establishment of the Millinium Kingdom coinsides with the overthrow of Satan - the prince of this world. Satan will then be locked up for one thousand years - for a millinia.
  
  But if the Kindom started in 1914, then that means Satan will only be locked up for 891 years (as of today). The WT teaches that Satan is still ruler of this world and isn't locked up yet.

  So, the WT is stuck with the contradictory teaching that the Millinium Kingdom both started, and did not start in 1914.

  https://archive.org/details/1958-gods-kingdom-rules-yankee-stadium-jw-convention
  
  
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Open Historic Museum in Edo

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah’s witnesses open historic museum in edo .. https://punchng.com/jehovahs-witnesses-open-historic-museum-in-edo/.

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  Sea Breeze

  “Sadly, some Witnesses were killed by soldiers and others for refusing to fight in the war in obedience to God’s command in the Bible – You must not kill (EXODUS 20:13).

  Yet, they have no problem calling for armed police who are trained to kill if their property is threatened. Why aren't they pacificists when their property$ are threatened?

  “SHEPHERD THE FLOCK OF GOD” 1 PETER 5: 2 October 2022

  ,freely available from avoidjw.org

  https://avoidjw.org/archive/books/sfl/

  "CHAPTER 21

  Kingdom Halls

  ...31. When property damage occurs, quick action can go far in preventing further damage. Break-ins, thefts, arson, or other incidents of vandalism should be promptly reported to the local authorities.

  Do you think this hypocrisy will make it into the museum?
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  JWs & Guilt Trips

  by skeeter1 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the watchtower is a manipulator.

  one of the tools they use is guilt, and they use it via the "guilt trip.

  " just so we are clear, a guilt trip is:.

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  Do You Remember This Speaker?

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember this speaker?.

  https://imgbox.com/no37wjiy.

  how many people remember the old laurel race track where we had conventions back in the 60's?

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  Sea Breeze

  Never went there
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  Treatment of Those Trying For Reinstatement

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what happens when a jehovah’s witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?.

  mark jones writes:.

  if it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.. one of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.. a disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity.

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  Sea Breeze

  Galatians 5:1. “Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.”
  
  A lot of people are uncomfortable with freedom. They literally can't function without excessive domination and control of other men.
  
  My advice is to read your bible, submit to God alone, do what you can to get along with everyone, tell the control freaks of all stripes to take a hike.